控枪能拯救很多生命吗？

[PolarPanda]

LOL，这就是你反驳的方法？

number can not be racist, when you see a number , you see race issue , that make you a racist.

你把亚裔分布也秀一下再说。你这不是立场问题，是智商问题，根本没学会如何用统计数据。 按照你的逻辑，医院是最危险的地方因为大部分人死在医院。

[ssgo]

number can not be racist, when you see a number , you see race issue , that make you a racist.

你把亚裔分布也秀一下再说。你这不是立场问题，是智商问题，根本没学会如何用统计数据。 按照你的逻辑，医院是最危险的地方因为大部分人死在医院。

这证明你是 左派政治传声筒。 FBI数据就摆在这里，还要说吗？
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... able-6.xls

[PolarPanda]

你把亚裔分布也秀一下再说。你这不是立场问题，是智商问题，根本没学会如何用统计数据。 按照你的逻辑，医院是最危险的地方因为大部分人死在医院。

这证明你是 左派政治传声筒。 FBI数据就摆在这里，还要说吗？
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... able-6.xls

你到目前为止给出的数据根本不支持你的谬论。你不用打滚了，书没空和一个无知的文盲讨论statistical inference。

[ssgo]

这证明你是 左派政治传声筒。 FBI数据就摆在这里，还要说吗？
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... able-6.xls

你到目前为止给出的数据根本不支持你的谬论。你不用打滚了，书没空和一个无知的文盲讨论statistical inference。

人如其言。 哈哈

[fortyNiner]

You completely miss the point. Your data indicates African American population affects the crime rate, and I don’t think anyone is denying it, but it says nothing about the relationship between gun ownership and crimes.
Many factors affect crime rates, and gun is only one. We are here focusing on only one factor--gun. So we want to keep AA% the same and focus on how gun ownership affects homicide rate.
First let’s look at all the states with high AA% and look at two groups of states, one with the highest gun ownership and the other with the lowest. The table shows that the average of the two groups have the same AA% (both 31.9%), yet the groups with highest gun ownership has more than 50% higher homicide rate (12.1 vs. 8.0).
Now look at all the states with low AA% within the two groups of states, one with the highest gun ownership and the other with the lowest. The group with the lowest gun ownership actually have 77% higher AA%(7.8 vs 4.4), yet they still manage to have slightly lower homicide rate (5.0 vs. 5.4).
So clearly, when AA% is the about the same, states with highest gun ownership have much higher homicide rates.

你整个地图上红脖州杀人如麻红彤彤的你看不到，只看见有波士顿的麻州比大农村的缅因杀人多？你们难道不理解人和蝌蚪一样密度一高就爱互相谋杀？

你再看看这图就了解了：

[ssgo]

You completely miss the point. Your data indicates African American population affects the crime rate, and I don’t think anyone is denying it, but it says nothing about the relationship between gun ownership and crimes.
Many factors affect crime rates, and gun is only one. We are here focusing on only one factor--gun. So we want to keep AA% the same and focus on how gun ownership affects homicide rate.
First let’s look at all the states with high AA% and look at two groups of states, one with the highest gun ownership and the other with the lowest. The table shows that the average of the two groups have the same AA% (both 31.9%), yet the groups with highest gun ownership has more than 50% higher homicide rate (12.1 vs. 8.0).
Now look at all the states with low AA% within the two groups of states, one with the highest gun ownership and the other with the lowest. The group with the lowest gun ownership actually have 77% higher AA%(7.8 vs 4.4), yet they still manage to have slightly lower homicide rate (5.0 vs. 5.4).
So clearly, when AA% is the about the same, states with highest gun ownership have much higher homicide rates.

你再看看这图就了解了：

what is AA？ we are talking about gun violent , of course the other factor is more important than gun on crime. the liberasl often use snapshot/partial data to prove their point, you have to see the whole picture to get full view.

[fortyNiner]

AA is African American.

--of course the other factor is more important than gun on crime.
You can't just make a claim without evidence.

You completely miss the point. Your data indicates African American population affects the crime rate, and I don’t think anyone is denying it, but it says nothing about the relationship between gun ownership and crimes.
Many factors affect crime rates, and gun is only one. We are here focusing on only one factor--gun. So we want to keep AA% the same and focus on how gun ownership affects homicide rate.
First let’s look at all the states with high AA% and look at two groups of states, one with the highest gun ownership and the other with the lowest. The table shows that the average of the two groups have the same AA% (both 31.9%), yet the groups with highest gun ownership has more than 50% higher homicide rate (12.1 vs. 8.0).
Now look at all the states with low AA% within the two groups of states, one with the highest gun ownership and the other with the lowest. The group with the lowest gun ownership actually have 77% higher AA%(7.8 vs 4.4), yet they still manage to have slightly lower homicide rate (5.0 vs. 5.4).
So clearly, when AA% is the about the same, states with highest gun ownership have much higher homicide rates.

what is AA？ we are talking about gun violent , of course the other factor is more important than gun on crime. the liberasl often use snapshot/partial data to prove their point, you have to see the whole picture to get full view.

[ssgo]

AA is African American.

--of course the other factor is more important than gun on crime.
You can't just make a claim without evidence.

what is AA？ we are talking about gun violent , of course the other factor is more important than gun on crime. the liberasl often use snapshot/partial data to prove their point, you have to see the whole picture to get full view.

evident showed
high gun owner ship does not lead to higher murder rate ,
FBI data show AA has much higher tendency to murder , what evident you need?
There are many other factor as gang population , people's temper.

[fortyNiner]

AA% is more important, so what? We are discussing guns here, not AA.
The data, post #56 in this thread, shows that when AA% is the same, both high at 31.9%, the states with much higher gun ownership has 50% higher homicide rates than the states with much lower gun ownership. This 50% extra homicide rate is worthy to try to keep gun ownership low, regardless is other factors are more or less important.

AA is African American.

--of course the other factor is more important than gun on crime.
You can't just make a claim without evidence.

evident showed
high gun owner ship does not lead to higher murder rate ,
FBI data show AA has much higher tendency to murder , what evident you need?
There are many other factor as gang population , people's temper.

[ssgo]

AA% is more important, so what? We are discussing guns here, not AA.
The data, post #56 in this thread, shows that when AA% is the same, both high at 31.9%, the states with much higher gun ownership has 50% higher homicide rates than the states with much lower gun ownership. This 50% extra homicide rate is worthy to try to keep gun ownership low, regardless is other factors are more or less important.

evident showed
high gun owner ship does not lead to higher murder rate ,
FBI data show AA has much higher tendency to murder , what evident you need?
There are many other factor as gang population , people's temper.

cherry picked data means nothing , other factor can affect result maybe hot and humid weather make people kill? different culture , why is MA and NH has similar murder rate , close by but very different gun control.