川粉最大的问题是没在制造业干过

[resso]

川普那种普遍的减税救不了制造业。他又不想搞利润高一点的先进制造业，还非要搞没油水的传统制造业，减税能搬的回来传统制造业？富士康给你答案。

[grasshopper]

这你可说错了吧？不是说川粉都是没文化的红脖子蓝领大老粗吗？他们才是制造业的主力，农民才几个人？

[resso]

这你可说错了吧？不是说川粉都是没文化的红脖子蓝领大老粗吗？他们才是制造业的主力，农民才几个人？

那是洪波川粉，不是黄川

[Lilyamao]

这你可说错了吧？不是说川粉都是没文化的红脖子蓝领大老粗吗？他们才是制造业的主力，农民才几个人？

是，但是大老粗们没有出过国门啊、以为自己挺有竞争力的、其实和中国农民工比起来，他们的纪律性、勤劳度和聪明都远不及

以前的白人也不错、去看看白人祖辈多努力、现在这批人根本不行

尤其是他们碰到了中国这么一个大对手，按说勤劳人在穷国遍地都是、勤劳不值钱

但是勤劳加先进生产设备就所向披靡

中国成为制造业怪胎的原因就是以前各国都是制造业发展了、生产设备牛逼了、人就堕落变懒了

共产党PU A老百姓是一等一高手，人又卷，生产设备又先进，虽然党经常有蠢招、譬如新冠封锁，但是架不住百姓活的和奴隶一样听话勤劳

[grasshopper]

我接触的美国老一代工人都非常能吃苦，纪律性，勤劳度和聪明程度不逊于任何人。年轻一代是不如老一代，不是人种问题，而是社会文化变了，年轻一代从小没吃过苦，只想赚快钱容易钱，制造业那么辛苦不想干。这不是美国独有的问题，任何国家富裕久了都会这样。中国年轻人不也一样？我们那时高中毕业考不上大学，去工厂做工农村学生抢都抢不到，现在农村孩子都不愿去工厂。

中国人没有任何特殊性，什么勤劳守纪律，都是逼得。至于聪明，更是自欺欺人。

quote=Lilyamao post_id=8947 time=1705355261 user_id=93]

这你可说错了吧？不是说川粉都是没文化的红脖子蓝领大老粗吗？他们才是制造业的主力，农民才几个人？

是，但是大老粗们没有出过国门啊、以为自己挺有竞争力的、其实和中国农民工比起来，他们的纪律性、勤劳度和聪明都远不及

以前的白人也不错、去看看白人祖辈多努力、现在这批人根本不行

尤其是他们碰到了中国这么一个大对手，按说勤劳人在穷国遍地都是、勤劳不值钱

但是勤劳加先进生产设备就所向披靡

中国成为制造业怪胎的原因就是以前各国都是制造业发展了、生产设备牛逼了、人就堕落变懒了

共产党PU A老百姓是一等一高手，人又卷，生产设备又先进，虽然党经常有蠢招、譬如新冠封锁，但是架不住百姓活的和奴隶一样听话勤劳
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[resso]

我接触的美国老一代工人都非常能吃苦，纪律性，勤劳度和聪明程度不逊于任何人。年轻一代是不如老一代，不是人种问题，而是社会文化变了，年轻一代从小没吃过苦，只想赚快钱容易钱，制造业那么辛苦不想干。这不是美国独有的问题，任何国家富裕久了都会这样。中国年轻人不也一样？我们那时高中毕业考不上大学，去工厂做工农村学生抢都抢不到，现在农村孩子都不愿去工厂。

中国人没有任何特殊性，什么勤劳守纪律，都是逼得。至于聪明，更是自欺欺人。

quote=Lilyamao post_id=8947 time=1705355261 user_id=93]

这你可说错了吧？不是说川粉都是没文化的红脖子蓝领大老粗吗？他们才是制造业的主力，农民才几个人？

是，但是大老粗们没有出过国门啊、以为自己挺有竞争力的、其实和中国农民工比起来，他们的纪律性、勤劳度和聪明都远不及

以前的白人也不错、去看看白人祖辈多努力、现在这批人根本不行

尤其是他们碰到了中国这么一个大对手，按说勤劳人在穷国遍地都是、勤劳不值钱

但是勤劳加先进生产设备就所向披靡

中国成为制造业怪胎的原因就是以前各国都是制造业发展了、生产设备牛逼了、人就堕落变懒了

共产党PU A老百姓是一等一高手，人又卷，生产设备又先进，虽然党经常有蠢招、譬如新冠封锁，但是架不住百姓活的和奴隶一样听话勤劳

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你可拉倒吧，给你15刀的时薪，叫你聪明吃苦，你有本事不就早跑了

[fortyNiner]

The root problem is, American manufacture employers pay a lot more than their foreign counterparts. Their employees are more expensive, their business and employee insurances are more expensive, and their legal fees are a lot more expensive. And the combination of these is still much more expensive than transoceanic shipping. In the past, the American production per worker was much higher due to its advance in tech and engineering, but now it's pretty much gone. Most people are watching their own wallet. Merchants want the lowest cost to achieve the best profit, and consumers want to pay less to make ends meet. So in general, most manufacture won't come back to the US, no matter whose ass is in the White House.

[Lilyamao]

The root problem is, American manufacture employers pay a lot more than their foreign counterparts. Their employees are more expensive, their business and employee insurances are more expensive, and their legal fees are a lot more expensive. And the combination of these is still much more expensive than transoceanic shipping. In the past, the American production per worker was much higher due to its advance in tech and engineering, but now it's pretty much gone. Most people are watching their own wallet. Merchants want the lowest cost to achieve the best profit, and consumers want to pay less to make ends meet. So in general, most manufacture won't come back to the US, no matter whose ass is in the White House.

我做制造业成本的嘛，我们股东多少想把制造业留在美国啊，然并卵

美国工人$60/小时（包括医保福利$20）

台湾香港都是$15， 中国是$9

然后美国工人周五下午就不上班了，中国工人可以完全没问题一周干六天

[fortyNiner]

Exactly.
In the past, US worker productivity was much higher due to its advance in engineer and tech. One US worker might be equivalent to ten Chinese workers. So it's kind of like
美国工人$60/小时（包括医保福利$20）
中国是$9*10=$90
So at that time, US was able to keep its manufacturing jobs even its employees were also more expensive.

The root problem is, American manufacture employers pay a lot more than their foreign counterparts. Their employees are more expensive, their business and employee insurances are more expensive, and their legal fees are a lot more expensive. And the combination of these is still much more expensive than transoceanic shipping. In the past, the American production per worker was much higher due to its advance in tech and engineering, but now it's pretty much gone. Most people are watching their own wallet. Merchants want the lowest cost to achieve the best profit, and consumers want to pay less to make ends meet. So in general, most manufacture won't come back to the US, no matter whose ass is in the White House.

我做制造业成本的嘛，我们股东多少想把制造业留在美国啊，然并卵

美国工人$60/小时（包括医保福利$20）

台湾香港都是$15， 中国是$9

然后美国工人周五下午就不上班了，中国工人可以完全没问题一周干六天

[grasshopper]

你这啥制造业？$15时薪，翻肉饼吗？我们公司工人据说5，6万一年，具体不清楚，但肯定不止$15
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你可拉倒吧，给你15刀的时薪，叫你聪明吃苦，你有本事不就早跑了
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