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绥靖主义

发表于 : 01 3月 2025, 10:18
shepherd17

特朗普和万斯对来访的乌克兰总统的粗鲁态度让世人震惊。俄罗斯政客和媒体一边辱骂乌克兰总统一边为特朗普和万斯拍手叫好 (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/2 ... -zelenskyy)。

"You're gambling with the lives of millions of people,” Trump shouted, “You’re gambling with World War III, and what you’re doing is very disrespectful to the country – this country.” 特朗普这是典型的指鹿为马、颠倒黑白;大家都知道发动侵略战争的是俄罗斯而不是乌克兰。

特朗普对待普京俄罗斯与欧洲二战爆发前夕英国领导人对待希特勒德国的绥靖态度何其相似!幸亏当下俄罗斯的相对国力与军力远不如当年纳粹德国,连吞下乌克兰都很艰难。否则不知俄罗斯还会干出啥更出格的事来。

绥靖主义
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement


Re: 绥靖主义

发表于 : 01 3月 2025, 10:47
枫林晓

粗鲁是小节。

川普说了拉俄罗斯抗中。

这正好是二战时西方拉俄罗斯抗德。是对局势的极度清晰的判断。这是大节。大节上美国出路只有两个。

1。承认中国的后来居上的世纪。并共同发展,逐步适应新的秩序。

2。抗中。维持欧美的世界头羊的地位。那就只有川普路线。制造业回归。结束极端全球化。并孤立中国。

选吧。


Re: 绥靖主义

发表于 : 01 3月 2025, 10:49
枫林晓

绥靖主义的前提是德国的制造业高速发展。这才是必须警惕的。

现在看俄罗斯根本没有任何高速发展的制造业。也就不存在对俄罗斯的绥靖。

当今世界如果西方想绥靖。只有中国够资格。


Re: 绥靖主义

发表于 : 01 3月 2025, 10:57
shepherd17
枫林晓 写了: 01 3月 2025, 10:47

粗鲁是小节。

川普说了拉俄罗斯抗中。

这正好是二战时西方拉俄罗斯抗德。是对局势的极度清晰的判断。这是大节。大节上美国出路只有两个。

1。承认中国的后来居上的世纪。并共同发展,逐步适应新的秩序。

2。抗中。维持欧美的世界头羊的地位。那就只有川普路线。制造业回归。结束极端全球化。并孤立中国。

选吧。

你的说法有点儿瘆人。我问了问万能的 AI。ChatGPT 的分析判断:

There is no concrete evidence to suggest that former President Donald Trump is actively colluding with Russian President Vladimir Putin to restrain China. However, recent geopolitical developments indicate that Trump's actions and policies may inadvertently align with Russia's interests, potentially impacting China's strategic position.

During a recent Oval Office meeting, Trump engaged in a heated exchange with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, urging Ukraine to accept a peace deal with Russia without securing firm guarantees. Trump threatened to withdraw U.S. support if Zelensky did not comply, raising concerns about his alignment with Moscow's objectives. This incident has led to accusations of Trump acting in a manner that benefits Russia, thereby affecting the broader geopolitical balance involving China.

Furthermore, Trump's foreign policy approach has been characterized by a desire to integrate Canada into the U.S. and to drive a wedge between Russia and China. These ambitions reflect a strategy that could reshape global alliances and power dynamics, indirectly influencing China's strategic environment.

While these actions may not constitute direct collusion between Trump and Putin to restrain China, they suggest a complex interplay of policies and relationships that could have significant implications for China's global standing.

DeepSeek 的回答:

The question of whether Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to restrain China involves several layers of analysis, including geopolitical dynamics, policy actions, and verified evidence. Here's a structured response:

  1. U.S.-China Relations Under Trump:
    The Trump administration adopted a confrontational stance toward China, particularly on trade, intellectual property, and geopolitical issues. Policies like tariffs (e.g., the 2018–2020 trade war) and rhetoric about "decoupling" reflected a strategy to counter China's economic and strategic influence. However, this approach was framed as a unilateral U.S. effort rather than part of a coordinated plan with Russia.

  2. Trump-Putin Interactions:
    Trump's relationship with Putin was scrutinized due to allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election. The Mueller investigation (2017–2019) found no conclusive evidence of a criminal conspiracy between Trump's campaign and Russia, though it documented numerous contacts and noted potential obstruction of justice. Publicly, Trump often praised Putin, which fueled speculation about alignment, but no verified evidence ties this rapport to a joint strategy against China.

  3. Russia-China Relations:
    Russia and China have deepened ties in recent years, particularly in energy, military cooperation, and opposing Western hegemony. While historically complex, their partnership is largely pragmatic, not ideological. Russia is unlikely to undermine China—a key economic and strategic partner—to assist U.S. interests. A U.S.-Russia collusion to restrain China would contradict their mutual interests in counterbalancing U.S. power.

  4. Geopolitical Realities:

    • The U.S. and Russia have divergent interests in Asia. For example, Russia has sought to strengthen ties with China through initiatives like the Belt and Road, while the U.S. has focused on alliances (e.g., Quad) to counterbalance China.
    • Trump's transactional foreign policy prioritized bilateral deals over multilateral coordination, reducing the likelihood of a covert alliance with Russia against China.
  5. Lack of Evidence:
    No credible reports, leaks, or investigations have substantiated claims of a Trump-Putin pact targeting China. While Trump occasionally floated ideas like expanding the G7 to include Russia, these were framed as diplomatic overtures rather than anti-China moves.

Conclusion:
There is no verified evidence that Trump colluded with Putin to restrain China. While Trump’s adversarial China policies and his controversial rapport with Putin fueled speculation, their actions align more with independent national strategies than coordinated collusion. Geopolitically, Russia’s alignment with China makes such a partnership improbable. Claims of collusion remain in the realm of conjecture without substantiation.


Re: 绥靖主义

发表于 : 01 3月 2025, 11:06
枫林晓

While there is no record of former President Donald Trump explicitly stating he would "hug Russia" to isolate China, his recent foreign policy actions indicate a strategic pivot towards improving relations with Russia, potentially to counterbalance China's influence. This approach includes efforts to end the Russia-Ukraine conflict and reduce U.S. involvement in Ukraine, allowing a focus on China. Additionally, the administration has downplayed Russian cyber threats, shifting attention towards China and Iran. These moves suggest an attempt to drive a wedge between Russia and China, aligning with a broader strategy to isolate Beijing.