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zz Trump has been tougher on Putin than any modern president

发表于 : 20 2月 2025, 22:00
lostsoul

r/Conservative

In this post, I will make the argument that, despite the confusing nature of some of Trump’s rhetoric (which I think he uses both for negotiating leverage and to troll his political adversaries), the following facts make the case that Trump’s actions taken against Putin make it clear that he has been far tougher on Putin than Joe, Obama, GWB, or Clinton ever was.

Consider:

  • ⁠Who raised European defense spending in NATO higher than than any other president in the prior 40 years?
    Trump, in his first term, arguably providing Europe with the weaponry that has allowed Ukraine to successfully fend off Russia.
    https://www.heritage.org/defense/commen ... fense-2016

  • ⁠Who killed more Russians than any US President since the Cold War? Trump.
    https://www.newsweek.com/us-military-ki ... ers-883947

  • ⁠Who put sanctions on Nordstream 2, preventing Putin from selling LNG to Europe? Trump.

  • ⁠Who pandered to Putin by lifting the sanctions on Nordstream 2, allowing Putin to use it to fund his imminent invasion of Ukraine? Joe.

  • ⁠Under whose watch did Putin invade and take over Crimea? Obama’s as President and Joe’s as VP and WH “Point Man” on Ukraine.

  • ⁠Who called Russia’s potential invasion of the Donbass a “minor incursion,” encouraging Putin? Joe.
    https://www.heritage.org/global-politic ... as-mistake

  • ⁠Under whose watch did Putin invade mainland Ukraine, to date causing over one million casualties? Joe’s.

  • Under whose watch did Putin invade Georgia? Bush’s.

  • ⁠Who did Putin invade when Trump was in office? No one.

  • ⁠Trump claimed he threatened Putin outright and said he he would “hit Moscow” if he moved on Ukraine during his presidency.
    https://kyivindependent.com/trump-sugge ... p-reports/

The world was peaceful and Putin stayed in his place under Trump, to also include the greater Middle East, which is a mess right now.
Despite his chaotic rhetoric, Trump will, arguably, bring the world back to a peaceful state again.


Re: zz Trump has been tougher on Putin than any modern president

发表于 : 20 2月 2025, 22:19
牛大春

这种说法显然很片面。奥巴马实现了从伊拉克撤军,荡平了伊斯兰国。睡舅从阿富汗撤军,解决了叙利亚问题,虽然在加沙问题上为人诟病。

lostsoul 写了: 20 2月 2025, 22:00

r/Conservative

In this post, I will make the argument that, despite the confusing nature of some of Trump’s rhetoric (which I think he uses both for negotiating leverage and to troll his political adversaries), the following facts make the case that Trump’s actions taken against Putin make it clear that he has been far tougher on Putin than Joe, Obama, GWB, or Clinton ever was.

Consider:

  • ⁠Who raised European defense spending in NATO higher than than any other president in the prior 40 years?
    Trump, in his first term, arguably providing Europe with the weaponry that has allowed Ukraine to successfully fend off Russia.
    https://www.heritage.org/defense/commen ... fense-2016

  • ⁠Who killed more Russians than any US President since the Cold War? Trump.
    https://www.newsweek.com/us-military-ki ... ers-883947

  • ⁠Who put sanctions on Nordstream 2, preventing Putin from selling LNG to Europe? Trump.

  • ⁠Who pandered to Putin by lifting the sanctions on Nordstream 2, allowing Putin to use it to fund his imminent invasion of Ukraine? Joe.

  • ⁠Under whose watch did Putin invade and take over Crimea? Obama’s as President and Joe’s as VP and WH “Point Man” on Ukraine.

  • ⁠Who called Russia’s potential invasion of the Donbass a “minor incursion,” encouraging Putin? Joe.
    https://www.heritage.org/global-politic ... as-mistake

  • ⁠Under whose watch did Putin invade mainland Ukraine, to date causing over one million casualties? Joe’s.

  • Under whose watch did Putin invade Georgia? Bush’s.

  • ⁠Who did Putin invade when Trump was in office? No one.

  • ⁠Trump claimed he threatened Putin outright and said he he would “hit Moscow” if he moved on Ukraine during his presidency.
    https://kyivindependent.com/trump-sugge ... p-reports/

The world was peaceful and Putin stayed in his place under Trump, to also include the greater Middle East, which is a mess right now.
Despite his chaotic rhetoric, Trump will, arguably, bring the world back to a peaceful state again.