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Re: 这次事件的起因是本版右派要求所有人必须“难过”吧

发表于 : 21 9月 2025, 22:56
resso
yoyo6713 写了: 21 9月 2025, 22:53
resso 写了: 21 9月 2025, 22:17

我跟你讲半天,就是说,一定有几个人要挨枪子了,是谁挨枪子靠运气,但是瞎几把煽动仇恨是闹着玩的

你好像跟我不一样,我真不知道Kirk, 你倒是对Kirk煽动仇恨很了解啊。你有原始视频可以演示Kirk煽动仇恨的可以贴一下吗?不是那种剪辑过去头割尾那种。
明天我找找Kirk煽动仇恨的视频看找不找得到。

我问过chatgpt Kirk是不是煽动仇恨,得到回答是:

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That’s a big question, and the answer isn’t completely clear-cut — it depends on who you ask, what definitions you use, and which statements you focus on.

Kirk's Critics:
There is substantial evidence that many of Kirk’s statements and rhetoric are viewed by credible sources as divisive, and in some cases as hateful or discriminatory. The fact that his own alleged killer cited his perception of Kirk’s “hatred” suggests that for at least some people, Kirk’s rhetoric crossed a line.

然后我问了这些credible sources 是什么。得到如下回答:

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Good question — thanks for pushing me to be specific. When I mentioned “credible sources” in my earlier response, I was referring to mainstream reporting and watchdog organizations that have covered Charlie Kirk’s rhetoric. These aren’t unedited videos themselves, but they are publications with editorial standards that documented and analyzed his statements。

然后我问:Mainstream news are mostly left, it is not surprising they don't have agree with his views because they are biased to start with, right?

回答是基本要你自己去看原视频:

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 That’s a very fair point. A lot of people share your concern that many mainstream outlets lean left, and so their coverage of someone like Charlie Kirk — a strongly conservative figure — might come across as hostile or biased.

 Here’s how we can think about it:

 1. Bias in media

       You’re right: outlets like Washington Post, Rolling Stone, Al Jazeera, or Common Dreams often write critically about conservative figures.

       On the other side, outlets like Fox News, Daily Caller, Breitbart, or Newsmax often write favorably about him and highlight “cancel culture” or “free speech” angles instead.

       So both sides have bias — just in different directions.

2. Primary sources matter more

      If you want to avoid bias altogether, the most reliable way is to go directly to Charlie Kirk’s own unedited speeches, podcasts, and livestreams. Then you can judge for yourself instead of relying on someone else’s interpretation.

      Examples of primary sources:

      Charlie Kirk’s official YouTube channel: The Charlie Kirk Show
      Turning Point USA (TPUSA) YouTube: TPUSA Live
      Kirk’s Rumble channel (popular with conservatives who feel censored on mainstream platforms): Charlie Kirk on Rumble

      Podcast archives: Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, etc. under The Charlie Kirk Show.

      These are usually posted in full and let you hear exactly what he said, with no editing by opponents or media outlets.

这人死后出名阿,他刚死的时候,我都不知道谁死了


Re: 这次事件的起因是本版右派要求所有人必须“难过”吧

发表于 : 21 9月 2025, 23:01
yoyo6713
resso 写了: 21 9月 2025, 22:56
yoyo6713 写了: 21 9月 2025, 22:53

你好像跟我不一样,我真不知道Kirk, 你倒是对Kirk煽动仇恨很了解啊。你有原始视频可以演示Kirk煽动仇恨的可以贴一下吗?不是那种剪辑过去头割尾那种。
明天我找找Kirk煽动仇恨的视频看找不找得到。

我问过chatgpt Kirk是不是煽动仇恨,得到回答是:

代码: 全选

That’s a big question, and the answer isn’t completely clear-cut — it depends on who you ask, what definitions you use, and which statements you focus on.

Kirk's Critics:
There is substantial evidence that many of Kirk’s statements and rhetoric are viewed by credible sources as divisive, and in some cases as hateful or discriminatory. The fact that his own alleged killer cited his perception of Kirk’s “hatred” suggests that for at least some people, Kirk’s rhetoric crossed a line.

然后我问了这些credible sources 是什么。得到如下回答:

代码: 全选

Good question — thanks for pushing me to be specific. When I mentioned “credible sources” in my earlier response, I was referring to mainstream reporting and watchdog organizations that have covered Charlie Kirk’s rhetoric. These aren’t unedited videos themselves, but they are publications with editorial standards that documented and analyzed his statements。

然后我问:Mainstream news are mostly left, it is not surprising they don't have agree with his views because they are biased to start with, right?

回答是基本要你自己去看原视频:

代码: 全选

 That’s a very fair point. A lot of people share your concern that many mainstream outlets lean left, and so their coverage of someone like Charlie Kirk — a strongly conservative figure — might come across as hostile or biased.

 Here’s how we can think about it:

 1. Bias in media

       You’re right: outlets like Washington Post, Rolling Stone, Al Jazeera, or Common Dreams often write critically about conservative figures.

       On the other side, outlets like Fox News, Daily Caller, Breitbart, or Newsmax often write favorably about him and highlight “cancel culture” or “free speech” angles instead.

       So both sides have bias — just in different directions.

2. Primary sources matter more

      If you want to avoid bias altogether, the most reliable way is to go directly to Charlie Kirk’s own unedited speeches, podcasts, and livestreams. Then you can judge for yourself instead of relying on someone else’s interpretation.

      Examples of primary sources:

      Charlie Kirk’s official YouTube channel: The Charlie Kirk Show
      Turning Point USA (TPUSA) YouTube: TPUSA Live
      Kirk’s Rumble channel (popular with conservatives who feel censored on mainstream platforms): Charlie Kirk on Rumble

      Podcast archives: Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, etc. under The Charlie Kirk Show.

      These are usually posted in full and let you hear exactly what he said, with no editing by opponents or media outlets.

这人死后出名阿,他刚死的时候,我都不知道谁死了

那你查了他是不是真的煽动仇恨呢还是你就当了一次echo chamber了?


Re: 这次事件的起因是本版右派要求所有人必须“难过”吧

发表于 : 21 9月 2025, 23:12
resso
yoyo6713 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:01
resso 写了: 21 9月 2025, 22:56

这人死后出名阿,他刚死的时候,我都不知道谁死了

那你查了他是不是真的煽动仇恨呢还是你就当了一次echo chamber了?

我当然看了他的视频,还贴了个他劝人别上大学的,lol


Re: 这次事件的起因是本版右派要求所有人必须“难过”吧

发表于 : 21 9月 2025, 23:19
yoyo6713
resso 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:12
yoyo6713 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:01

那你查了他是不是真的煽动仇恨呢还是你就当了一次echo chamber了?

我当然看了他的视频,还贴了个他劝人别上大学的,lol

这是算在煽动仇恨还是没有啊?有煽动仇恨的专门视频吗?


Re: 这次事件的起因是本版右派要求所有人必须“难过”吧

发表于 : 21 9月 2025, 23:20
resso
yoyo6713 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:19
resso 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:12

我当然看了他的视频,还贴了个他劝人别上大学的,lol

这是算在煽动仇恨还是没有啊?有煽动仇恨的专门视频吗?

这是在害人,煽动的阿毛贴了不少


Re: 这次事件的起因是本版右派要求所有人必须“难过”吧

发表于 : 21 9月 2025, 23:33
yoyo6713
resso 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:20
yoyo6713 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:19

这是算在煽动仇恨还是没有啊?有煽动仇恨的专门视频吗?

这是在害人,煽动的阿毛贴了不少

莉莉猫贴的没有一个完整的,看了完整的我真看不出有啥煽动仇恨的。我明天继续找。


Re: 这次事件的起因是本版右派要求所有人必须“难过”吧

发表于 : 21 9月 2025, 23:35
resso
yoyo6713 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:33
resso 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:20

这是在害人,煽动的阿毛贴了不少

莉莉猫贴的没有一个完整的,看了完整的我真看不出有啥煽动仇恨的。

lol,石刑这个词,完不完整的,能不仇恨。如果石刑不算仇恨,那么鸡毛说的话岂不是大爱了


Re: 这次事件的起因是本版右派要求所有人必须“难过”吧

发表于 : 21 9月 2025, 23:42
yoyo6713
resso 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:35
yoyo6713 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:33

莉莉猫贴的没有一个完整的,看了完整的我真看不出有啥煽动仇恨的。

lol,石刑这个词,完不完整的,能不仇恨。如果石刑不算仇恨,那么鸡毛说的话岂不是大爱了

我在莉莉猫刚贴的时候就指出过她的结论是错的,你都没有搞清楚。你搞清楚了也来道个谦吧。

鸡毛的话更是错的但和这个论坛刚开始的争论无关。


Re: 这次事件的起因是本版右派要求所有人必须“难过”吧

发表于 : 21 9月 2025, 23:44
resso
yoyo6713 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:42
resso 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:35

lol,石刑这个词,完不完整的,能不仇恨。如果石刑不算仇恨,那么鸡毛说的话岂不是大爱了

我在莉莉猫刚贴的时候就指出过她的结论是错的,你都没有搞清楚。

鸡毛的话更是错的.

鸡毛的话是完全正确的,maga一直是一群极端的人,丽猫贴的是视频,大家也分析了,所以我也不会再看你的啥道歉了


Re: 这次事件的起因是本版右派要求所有人必须“难过”吧

发表于 : 21 9月 2025, 23:46
yoyo6713
resso 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:44
yoyo6713 写了: 21 9月 2025, 23:42

我在莉莉猫刚贴的时候就指出过她的结论是错的,你都没有搞清楚。

鸡毛的话更是错的.

鸡毛的话是完全正确的,maga一直是一群极端的人,丽猫贴的是视频,大家也分析了,所以我也不会再看你的啥道歉了

所以你也认为Kirk advacate stoning gays 对吧?