别的车不知道，奔驰E在欧洲当出租车，开50万公里的很多。
M B dealer 给我show 车的时候随便开几辆车的盖，车盖反面都有漆的。我也有过丰田，G M的车，这个反差很大。
记得多年前有个公司中国同事试Camry,快签字的时候开盖一看： 到处有锈。他问： Rust? 小二： Yes. 然后就没签字。
另外我观察过老车，除掉B B A，一般十年以上的有不同程度的掉漆。如果试下车漆硬度，B B A比两田硬很多。
Rav4 爆丑闻
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(小)泡子子
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E: MSRP $74,900.00 买不起。你说的富人。
再看reliability
2026 Mercedes-Benz E-Class long term reliability
ChatGPT said:
The 2026 Mercedes-Benz E-Class (W214 generation) represents a full model redesign, and while it benefits from decades of engineering evolution, its long-term reliability outlook is mixed, depending on what you prioritize: mechanical robustness vs. electronics/software durability.
Strengths – Historical Mechanical Reliability:
Powertrains (I4/I6 mild hybrids): The 2.0L and 3.0L inline engines (M254 and M256) are carryovers with refinement. Historically, these engines perform well with proper maintenance.
Chassis/suspension: The E-Class has traditionally had strong underpinnings; Mercedes avoids cost-cutting here, especially in the European-built versions.
Body and corrosion resistance: Excellent paint, galvanized panels, and good assembly quality, especially for the German-built variants (avoid outsourced knock-downs in other markets).
Cautions – What Will Break:
Overcomplex electronics:
The new MBUX Superscreen, AR heads-up display, and AI-based climate, comfort, and infotainment controls are all software-heavy. These introduce significant long-term failure risk (glitches, bricking, obsolescence).
Expect infotainment lag, touchscreen failures, and sensor errors beyond 6–8 years, especially if software updates aren't maintained.
48V mild-hybrid battery system:
Early signs suggest decent performance, but long-term degradation of the 48V lithium-ion battery (and belt-starter alternator units) will become a failure point, particularly in cold climates.
Replacement costs remain high and diagnostic complexity will discourage DIY or third-party repair.
Air suspension (on upper trims):
Optional AIRMATIC air suspension is a known Achilles’ heel. It rides beautifully but is prone to leaks and compressor failures in 7–10 years, especially in cold or salty environments.
Software dependency in serviceability:
The heavy software integration locks out many third-party mechanics. Long-term maintenance will depend on your proximity to an authorized Mercedes dealer or a specialist with STAR diagnostic tools.
Reliability Forecast (2026 E-Class)
Component Area Outlook (1–10) Comment
Engine/Transmission 8/10 Proven hardware, low failure rate if serviced
Suspension & Brakes 7/10 Solid unless you opt for AIRMATIC
Infotainment & Electronics 5/10 Likely failure points over 10+ years
HVAC and Interior Systems 6/10 High complexity, moderate failure risk
Corrosion Resistance 9/10 Excellent
Cost of Repairs 3/10 Expensive parts, software lock-in
DIY Friendliness 2/10 Virtually none without tools and access
Strategic Advice:
Buy only with extended warranty (up to 8 years) if keeping long-term.
Lease or CPO for 3–4 years if you want hassle-free ownership.
Avoid early builds (first 6–12 months of production); wait for mid-2026 builds or later.
If you're aiming for 15–20 year ownership, this is not the right car. Consider Lexus ES or a lightly optioned BMW 5-Series (G60) instead.
Bottom Line:
The 2026 E-Class is a technologically ambitious executive sedan with historically good mechanical bones—but its long-term reliability is likely to be undermined by software complexity, electronics fragility, and repair costs. It will age gracefully in appearance and driving dynamics, but not in ownership experience past 10 years unless you treat it like a collector’s item with concierge-level care.
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再谈BBA
BMW Brilliance Automotive
BBAlong term reliability
ChatGPT said:
BMW Brilliance Automotive (BBA) – Long-Term Reliability Analysis (Real-World, Not Brochure Talk)
Let’s be blunt: BBA-built BMWs are not the same as German-built BMWs. They’re similar in design and parts sourcing, but long-term durability shows distinct divergence due to several critical factors.
What is BBA Actually Building?
Vehicles primarily for the Chinese market, but some are exported (e.g., iX3, long-wheelbase 3/5 Series).
All BBA models use BMW designs but are locally assembled with varying degrees of Chinese-sourced components.
BMW tightly controls QC, but Brilliance and local suppliers still play a material role, especially in electronics, interior fittings, and climate hardware.
BBA-Produced BMWs: Long-Term Reliability Scorecard
Component/System Reliability (Out of 10) Comment
Engines (I4, I6) 7 Same base engines as German builds, but risk increases after 100k km without premium fuel/oil
Transmissions (ZF 8HP) 9 Robust; ZF-made, not a weak point
Suspension (standard) 6 Bushings, control arms wear early under Chinese road conditions
Air Suspension (Li trims) 4 High failure rate at 6–8 years; compressor and bag leaks common
Interior fittings 5 Plastics and seat foams degrade faster than German counterparts
Paint & Rustproofing 6 Thinner paint, weaker anti-corrosion than German models; edge rust around trim and underbody reported
Electronics/Infotainment 4 Chinese-sourced modules (screens, ECUs) have higher fault rates and more bugs
Climate Control System 5 Blower motors, condensers fail more frequently in BBA models post-5 years
Battery/12V system 4 Many premature failures due to cheaper Chinese-sourced batteries
Software/Updates 3 OTA support is weak or nonexistent; bugfixes lag EU/NA builds
Common Failure Points (Reported in CN and Export Markets):
Instrument cluster blackouts
iDrive screen delamination or failure
HVAC actuator and compressor issues
Suspension creaking, premature bushing wear
Peeling trim, leather cracking, poor seat foam retention
Navigation and voice control software crashes
These are not anecdotal—they are well-documented by owner forums, particularly for long-wheelbase 5 Series (530Li) and iX3s.
Why the Gap?
Local supplier quality variation – not all components are BMW OE tier-1.
Faster production cycles – quality escapes occur to meet volume.
Climate/environment – pollution, humidity, and urban dust worsen degradation.
Ownership habits – lower preventive maintenance in domestic Chinese market leads to compounding failures.
Serviceability & Support
Warranty coverage in China is robust for first 3–5 years, but service after that is expensive and parts delays are common.
For exported BBA-built BMWs (like some iX3s in Europe), dealers often don’t stock BBA-specific parts, increasing downtime.
DIY repair is extremely limited due to software locks and STAR Diagnostics requirement.
Final Verdict: Is a BBA BMW a Safe Long-Term Bet?
Use Case Verdict
Buy & sell in 3–4 yrs Acceptable, especially under warranty
Keep 8–10+ yrs 
High TCO and reliability decay
Export to harsh climates Not advisable unless fully derated and under warranty
Compare to German build 
Not in the same league beyond 100,000 km or 5 years
Bottom Line:
BBA-built BMWs look premium and drive well when new—but they age like milk, not wine, especially in electronics, suspension, and climate systems. If you're keeping one long-term, expect high maintenance costs and periodic failures that are hard to diagnose or cheaply repair.
If reliability is your top priority, either buy German-built BMWs or consider Lexus/Genesis. The BBA product is built for short-cycle prestige, not longevity.
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BBA的锈如何呢？
牛比大发了
BBA Rust Issues — A Critical Look
BMW Brilliance Automotive (BBA) vehicles are more prone to corrosion than their German-built counterparts, especially after 4–6 years of exposure in humid, coastal, or road-salted environments. The rust problems are well documented among long-wheelbase models (e.g., 3 Series Li, 5 Series Li) and iX3 units built in Shenyang.
Where Does Rust Occur Most?
Location Common Issues
Wheel wells / fender lips Paint chipping, blistering, edge rust
Trunk lid seams Inner seam rust, especially in Li models
Door edges and under trim Paint bubbles → delamination + oxidation
Underbody and subframe mounts Incomplete undercoating → corrosion spread
Sunroof drain channels Clogged drains → moisture ingress, rust
Photos and owner reports (Chinese forums, European export markets) show clear localized corrosion by year 5–6, often around seams and welds, indicating either poor primer bonding or lower galvanization standards.
Root Causes
Cause Explanation
Thinner paint layers Cost optimization; measurable micron reduction vs. Germany builds
Lower galvanization quality Partial or spot galvanizing, not full-body zinc immersion
Climate variability in China Northeast China’s freeze-thaw cycles + summer humidity accelerate rust
Inconsistent quality control Reports of poor seam sealing and weld primer application
Inferior plastic clips/seals Water ingress around door trim and window moldings
Shenyang’s plants meet BMW global specs on paper, but supplier variation and workforce experience gaps introduce variability that accumulates over time.
What About Exported BBA Models?
Vehicles like the BMW iX3 and long-wheelbase 5 Series exported to Europe and Southeast Asia have shown:
Accelerated rusting in high-salinity areas
Edge corrosion even with garage storage
Underbody surface rust after 3 winters
European owners of BBA iX3s report rust near weld points and brackets, rarely seen on German-built BMWs under the same conditions.
BMW’s Response & Warranty?
Rust warranty is typically 12 years for perforation, but only covers inside-out corrosion, not surface rust or paint bubbling.
Many claims are denied as “environmental wear” unless full perforation occurs.
Chinese owners routinely report denied warranty claims and long dispute cycles.
Independent Corrosion Tests (Chinese auto reviewers):
Tests comparing BBA-built vs German-built 5 Series found:
German unit had >30% thicker paint in critical corrosion zones
BBA vehicle showed paint delamination under salt spray within 30–60 days of accelerated exposure
BBA’s seam sealing was visibly thinner and less consistent
Mitigation Strategies
Action Recommendation
Annual undercoating Mandatory if in snow/salt areas
Check drain channels Clean sunroof and door drains every 6 months
Ceramic coat + paint film Prevent microchip rust entry points
Inspect seams + welds Especially under doors and trunk lid
Use soft car wash methods Avoid high-pressure blasting of trim edges
Final Judgment
BBA-built BMWs have measurably worse corrosion protection than German-built equivalents. This is a serious long-term ownership liability, particularly in:
Cold climates (Canada, Northern Europe)
High-humidity environments (SE Asia, Southern China)
If rust is a deal-breaker for you, do not buy a BBA vehicle for >6-year ownership unless you plan to heavily rustproof it and garage it religiously. Otherwise, you’ll face value erosion and escalating bodywork costs by year 7–10.
Let me know if you want a comparison with other JVs like FAW‑VW, or recommendations for better long-term corrosion resistance.
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能用 20 年的“耐久神车”品牌（按稳定性和维修性综合排序）
- Toyota 丰田
全球第一的耐用性与配件支持
核心优势：简单、可靠、维修成本极低、发动机/变速箱寿命长
超过 70% 的20年车龄丰田仍在北美路上（数据：iSeeCars、Consumer Reports）
经典代表车型：
Camry（凯美瑞）：家用中型王者，2.5 NA引擎可轻松撑过 400,000km+
Corolla（卡罗拉）：结构简单、成本低、配件便宜
4Runner / Land Cruiser / Tacoma：越野车界寿命最强
- Honda 本田
发动机机械素质极高（如K系列发动机）
悬挂系统设计较简单，维修便宜
配件便宜 + 结构紧凑 = 民间维修友好
代表车型：
Civic（思域）：20年都可作为日常代步车
Accord（雅阁）：空间实用、动力充沛，老款V6更耐用
CR-V：结构扎实，北美车主大量跑30万km无大修
- Lexus 雷克萨斯（丰田旗下高端）
本质上是高配丰田 + 超高工艺品控
大量 LS、RX、GX 系列跑 20 年如新
维修略贵但不容易坏
推荐：LS400（V8神车），RX350（稳定中型SUV）
- Mazda 马自达（特别是老款）
不玩复杂电子，机械结构扎实
特别推荐老款 Mazda3 / Mazda6
注意避免早期转子引擎（RX-8）
- Subaru 斯巴鲁
全部车型标配 AWD（对北方雪地极其适用）
发动机设计别致（水平对置），耐用但需定期保养
老款 Outback / Forester 能活 20 年
下列品牌需谨慎考虑长期使用：
德国车（BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, VW）
前 5 年体验极佳，10 年后 电子系统故障高发
零件昂贵、维修复杂、必须依赖专用诊断设备
部分旧款奔驰 E-Class (W124, W210) 是例外，可活20年以上，但维修也不便宜
美国车（GM, Ford, Chrysler）
结构简单，但往往 10年后配件稀缺或不再生产
发动机寿命不低，但变速箱普遍容易出问题
个别例外如 Ford Crown Victoria、Chevy Silverado（卡车系列）可活20年+
韩国车（现代/起亚）
近年进步巨大，但早期车型耐用性差，超过12年后发动机失效率上升
涡轮、小排量高压发动机在老化后风险高
北美真实统计数据（iSeeCars 2024）
在全美被“原车主持有超过15年”的品牌比例：
品牌 占比 注解
Toyota 19.5% 全球最长寿
Honda 14.3% 实用耐久
Subaru 13.7% 雪地之王
Lexus 10.3% 豪华耐用并存
Mazda 8.6% 低调实用
总结建议：
如果你追求“买一辆车，20年不用换”，只考虑：
Toyota（首选 Camry / Corolla / 4Runner / Highlander）
Honda（Civic / Accord / CR-V）
Lexus（如果预算够 RX 或 GX）
Mazda（手动挡 Mazda3 是隐藏神车）
Subaru（雪地环境下）
这几类车能做到：开20年无主力总成大修，维护成本低，配件易找，普通技师能修
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有人追求一辆车开20年，背后反映的是理性经济观、价值稳定性、心理安全感、甚至一种生活哲学。从多个维度拆解如下：
1. 经济理性：摊销成本最优
一辆可靠的车如果使用20年，折旧成本（年均摊销）极低。比如一辆30,000加元的车，使用20年，每年仅1,500元折旧。
避免了频繁换车的购置税、保险上涨、贷款利息等隐性支出。
很多人早期买车花了血汗钱，不愿轻易放弃。
这类人群往往倾向于买丰田、雷克萨斯、本田等高耐久品牌，特别是自然吸气引擎、传统变速箱的经典款。
2. 抗消费主义：对“被迫升级”的反抗
不少人抵制“计划性淘汰”——电子车控、复杂传感器系统、封闭维修体系，增加故障率，缩短寿命。
他们更愿意保留一辆技术成熟、结构简单、易于维护的车，而不是不断被新车营销诱导消费。
3. 情感与身份：汽车作为伴侣与延伸
某些车主把车看作生活的伙伴，一起经历了搬家、旅行、甚至恋爱结婚。这种车有情感价值。
保留老车也是一种身份声明：“我不是潮流的奴隶，我的车比你的更忠诚。”
4. 信任与稳定：心理安全感需求
一辆熟悉的老车，不光是机械熟悉，也是对可靠性、安全性的信任——知道它的弱点、保养点、声音特征。
不需要重新学习新科技、不用担心OTA更新、不用摸索新菜单。
5. 环保主义视角（少数人持有）
某些环保人士认为，制造一辆新车的碳足迹远远大于继续开一辆旧车。所以延长使用寿命反而是更“绿色”的做法。
6. 行业背景与工具使用
对某些工匠、工程师、农村居民、偏远地区用户而言，车是工具，首要是可维护性、可修复性、零部件通用性。
他们追求“修得起，懂得修，用得久”的车型，比如丰田Hilux、老款CR-V、福特F-150等。
与此相反的，是下列典型心态：
虚荣消费、租赁导向、炫耀型社交、科技崇拜。
对他们来说，车的功能早已不是“代步”，而是“炫技”、“身份扩展”、“生活方式的展示”。
总结
追求一辆车开20年，其实是对：
可靠性价值的认可，
对消费主义的警觉，
对个体掌控感的坚持，
对稳定与熟悉感的偏好。
这背后并不是穷，而是一种深思熟虑、反内卷、重长期主义的态度。
如果你问我怎么看？我认同这种理念。在一个被营销淹没的时代，理性使用一辆车20年，本身就是一种强大的自我主权宣示。